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Contracts and Rights: What You Own 12/26/06

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Tue Dec 26 12:04:04 2006

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Tue Dec 26 13:07:21 2006



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Mary Rosenblum

Hello all.

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I hope you had a lovely Christmas or a great holiday weekend anyway. :-)

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I don't know about you, but I find it kind of amazing that this weekend is the final weekend of 2006.

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Seems as if it just started last month. Time flies, I guess. :-)

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Since we talked about agents at our last Friday Forum, I thought it would be a good idea to talk about contracts and rights today.

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Since most of the time we'll actually be dealing with those issues on our own, rather than through an agent.

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If you're selling to the magazine market or to the small press publisher, you'll be handling contracts on your own, and they can be very daunting if you don't have a clear idea of what exactly you are selling.

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Alas, with the proliferation of new, small publishers, many very poor contracts are kicking around, not because the publisher intends to cheat you

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but because the new publisher may not know anything about writing a contract.

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When you write anything, you own those words as soon as you write them down or hit save on your computer.

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That is the copyright and it is yours.

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Nobody can use those particular words without your permission.

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You don't have to register the copyright to have that control. It's automatically yours, although you can later register the copyright to, say, your novel to add an extra layer of legal protection.

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Now you CAN write 'work for hire'.

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In this case, you sign a contract ahead of time to produce a particular body of work for a set fee.

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The rights to those particular words belong to the person you're working for. Not to you.

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This is common in 'technical writing' where you might be writing, say, a manual on how to use Word.

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I wrote the Long Ridge novel course as a work for hire. They rights belong to Long Ridge, not to me.

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It does happen in the fiction world, usually for a book written in an established universe, say a Star Trek book.

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But more commonly, you own the copyright and you LICENSE a publisher to use your words in a very specific way.

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That is, you sell them specific rights.

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That right allows them to publish your words in a limited way, usually for a limited time.

geezer

Do you get any royalities for work for hire?

Mary Rosenblum

Depends on whether or not it's specified in the contract, geeze.

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Sometimes it is, sometimes you merely get a flat fee.

info

In case of Star Trek novels, do you get a percentage of royalties as long as they are published or does that remain with the Star Trek people?

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I'm not actually familiar with the specific contract, info.

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Many 'universe' work for hire contracts give you royalties as long as the book is in print, but that 'in print' decision is entirely in the hands of thepublisher.

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You can't publish the book on your own.

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The thing to keep in mind with fiction particularly is that you can publish a story more than once...IF you retain your rights.

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Each time you sell specific rights, you are selling permission for the publisher to publish that story in a limited way.

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You can sell rights to other publishers to publish that story in other limited ways.

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You can sell First Rights. These grant the publisher the right to publish this story FIRST.

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They can be more specific...First North American Rights (The US only).

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First Foreign language rights (first publication in a language other than English)

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First World Rights (first time published anywhere on the planet).

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These days, I see more 'first world rights' than anything. That covers electronic publications as well as print, by the way.

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Then, once that publisher has published it FIRST, you can sell an even larger number of 'secondary rights'

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meaning that the piece has been published once already.

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These are often collectively called 'reprint rights'.

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Generally you get less money for these 'second rights' but you know what? You don't have to do any more work.

geezer

How would one approach a publisher with a story that had already been published? I don't remember seening anything like that in their submission guidelines.

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They will tell you in the guidelines if they want reprints, geeze.

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If the guidelines say they are looking for 'original work' they probably aren't much interested in previously published work.

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Some markets do accept some previously published work and they'll say so in their guidelines.

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Some theme anthologies will mention that they're open to previously published work.

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What you want to beware of are the contracts that purchase All RIghts.

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I see that more and more and it's a big caveat.

illegible

Are non-premium publications more likely to take reprints?

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In nonfiction, yes. I solicit reprints for the LR Website.

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It's less common in fiction, although as I said, the occasional anthology will accept reprints and of course, the 'Best of the Year' antholgies all do. :-)

yarnsome

What does the term "kill fee" in market listings mean?

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It means that if the editor decides not to run your piece or publish your book after all, you get a payment anyway.

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Usually it's about half of the initial offering.

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But that is only after the contract is signed.

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If an editor holds your story for an anthology but hasn't sent you a contract yet, and then the editor decides

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the anthology is too full and rejects it, you don't get a kill fee.

sss1208

Do you get your ms returned?

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That depends on the publication. Usually if you send in a SASE the mss will come back to you.

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If you don't include a SASE when submitting by snail mail your submission goes directly into the trash.

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Editors are adamant about that.

info

Could you explain what a non-premium publications is?

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Small circulation, info.

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The larger the circulation, the more ad money the mag tends to make, and the more they can spend on purchasing good quality articles from high-end pros.

sss1208

I meant do you get your ms returned along with kill fee

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Oh yes, sss, you certainly should.

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The publisher would be highly unprofessional not to do so.

janecj333

Can you give us some info about advances, what's typical? I read that Orson Scott Card didn't earn out his advances until after his ninth novel.

Mary Rosenblum

I had a glitch up here.

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Did Jane's question about advances show up in the auditorium?

andi

yes

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Oh good. It vanished off my screen.

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Advances are something you encounter mostly among big NY publishers and a very few high end small presses.

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This is an 'advance against royalties'.

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The publisher guesses how many of your books they'll sell and they pay you the equivalent to the royalties you'd make on those sales up front.

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So you can eat while you're waiting for the books to sell. :-)

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If you don't sell as many books as they guess...you will not 'earn out' your advance

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and the publisher loses money.

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No, you don't have to repay that advance money. It's yours.

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But the publisher will be less willing to buy your next book.

yarnsome

Is there a good online reference site for contract terms?

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There is indeed, yarnsome.

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The ASJA publishes a Contracts Watch Newsletter

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This is worth reading.

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They discuss current issues in publishing, all concerning contracts and rights.

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http://www.asja.org/cw/cw.php

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http://www.asja.org/cw/cw.php

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The ASJA by the way

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is the American Society of Journalists and Authors.

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You have to make your income primarily as an author or journalist in order to join.

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But their website is well worth a visit in terms of useful information.

yarnsome

How do you know if your article has been published if the

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magazine doesn't publish it for a year or two?

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And the mag pays on publication?

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This is a real headache, yarnsome.

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Payment on acceptance used to be the rule but that has changed.

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Now it's payment on publication most of the time.

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Read your contract. Usually you will receive one or two contributors copies when your story or article is published

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and that will tell you that your piece has been published.

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Some contracts will give you a time frame -- within two years of acceptance or something like that.

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Most won't.

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You can always query the editor and ask when a particular piece is scheduled.

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Most magazines operate on about 6 months lead time, so the editor knows well in advance when your piece will run.

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And realize that you CAN alter a contract.

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You and the editor can negotiate points that you are not happ with.

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Some you may be able to change, others you may not be able to change and thus you'll have to decide if you really want to publish here or not.

yarnsome

I didn't know you could alter a contract.

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Oh yes. My agent alters something in very single paragraph of my ten page NY publishing contracts!

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I've renegotiated contract issues with magazine publishers.

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I used to routinely cross out one paragraph of the Asimov's contracts, back when they tried to acquire all electronic rights.

illegible

Does your agent cover much of the contract work for you?

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Only on book contracts, illegible.

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I handle all short fiction and nonfiction contracts.

yarnsome

On to books...what's a typical royalty?

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Depends, yarn.

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The big NY houses that typically offer an advance usually offer about 8 - 9% for mass market and 10-12 % for hardcover.

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I think it's running around 10% for trade paper.

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The small presses usually offer a larger royalty since they don't offer and advance and the sales numbers will generally be much smaller.

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The 'quantity publishers' who publish nearly anyone who submits often offer a very high royalty

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but that's because the sales numbers are so very low.

illegible

Trade paper?

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those are the larger paperback books, the ones you see most often from small press publishers.

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They cost 11- 12 rather than the 6 - 7 of most mass market paperbacks.

yarnsome

What are some rights an author should NEVER relinquish?

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All Rights.

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That means you sell your words and you can never use that story or that article again ever.

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I see that more and more in contracts from new ezines.

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I think they simply don't know how to write a contract, but don't do it unless you don't mind relinquishing that story or narrative.

kish100

Why are most movies hacked versions of the books?

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That's what the movie makers thought the public would go see. Usually they're hacked versions of best sellers, notice.

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What you also want to watch for is 'movie rights', 'anthology rights' and 'foreign rights' in your fiction contracts.

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You want to sell those rights to other publishers or the movie industry should you be so lucky.

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You do not want your publisher to sell them and give you a fraction of the money!

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A lot of my fiction gets published in Europe and I get money from that.

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Only because I keep my foreign rights.

geezer

Anything to watch out for in selling movie rights?

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If you are fortunate enough to have an option picked up by a producer, you MUST get a Hollywood agent to handle the contract.

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They make NY contracts look simple!

yarnsome

So if you keep foreign rights, do you market it overseas?

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Yes. And often foreign publishers come to me and ask to use particular stories in anthologies, or republish one of my books.

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My agent always sends any new book out to her foreign subagents and they market them in the UK, France, Germany, and eastern Europe.

kish100

What are movie rights...exactly?

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The right to turn your writing into a movie.

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Usually, a producer or screenwriter will 'option' the movie rights. That means they pay you money...usually about 5000 for a novel...

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and for the next two years, you can't sell the movie rights to anyone else.

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At the end of that two years, they either have to buy the movie rights or relinquish the option.

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Many books and even novellas/novellettes get optioned by screenwriters and producers.

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Very few end up as movies.

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One thing to look for in a small press contract for your novel is how the royalties are calculated.

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if they are calculated on the 'cover price' then you are getting say, 10% of the cover price, maybe 14.99

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But if they are calculated on the 'wholesale' or 'discounted' price, then they are calculated on what the

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distributor pays and that's about 7 for that 14.99 book.

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So your royalty is not 1.49 per copy, it is about 70c per copy.

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BIG difference!

janecj333

At what point in your fiction career were you able to attract an agent?

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When I had just finished my first book, Jane.

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But I had already published quite a bit of short SF and was getting a lot of very nice praise from reviewers.

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And actually, my agent didn't think much of that first book (it wasn't very good) but thought I should do a novel

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set in the universe of several of my recent short stories.

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So I did that and she sent that around.

kish100

Do you get royalties from the movies?

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You get all kinds of money from your rights if the movie gets made kish...potentially HUGE amounts if the movie is a big hit.

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But that is a complex system and you really will need a Hollywood agent to negotiate that contract.

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My agent sends movie contracts to her Hollywood sub agent.

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When you read a contract, pay attention to when you can republish your work.

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Some contracts allow the publisher to use the story in a later anthology for a nominal fee or publish it on their website for a nominal fee.

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But if you want to publish that story later on yourself, you need to be sure that the publisher isn't controlling the story forever.

illegible

Without an agent, are rights management sort done "in the community"? getting help from friend in the know?

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It does help if you ask someone like me who has had experience with contracts. You can also pay a flat fee to a publishing lawyer who can tell you what you're signing.

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SFWA.org the website of SFWA has a great page on rights and contracts.

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It has some sample contracts posted there.

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The ASJA website is a font of information.

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You owe it to yourself to learn contract language and rights.

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As I said, many new publishers especially in the ezine world are writing bad contracts because they don't know any better.

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And if you can offer a reasonable alternative editors can be reasonable.

msz

Did you publish your short SF in magazines?

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Yes, MSZ. I started out publishing mostly in Asimov's magazine, but I've been in all the print SF mags at this point. I've published more than 60 short stories, all for pay, and mostly in the large circulation magazines.

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Well, this was an interesting discussion. Next week, the newsletter will focus on Rights

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and I'll have some good links to sites that will help you.

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Meanwhile, I'll post the transcripts of this forum in Writing Craft: Forum Transcripts.

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Have a good week, all.

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Don't get trampled in the after Christmas sales!

 

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